[Margaret]

Hi Everyone ~~~

Gareth was in to see his rheumatologist this morning and she was examining his hands and commented that he is showing signs of Raynaud's now and to watch for ulcers. Dummy me......I have noticed that they are cold & white colored a lot of times but assumed that you needed all 3 colors....red, white, and blue for the diagnosis of Raynaud's. Anyways, does that mean the Plaquenil isn't working as well? I never thought to ask her that. He also told her that his bagel got 'stuck' on Sat.....something I didn't know anything about. Now we have to watch for the esophageal dismotility again. She said his eyes and skin are dry.....get him some OTC eye drops. Is that sclero related or do we add Sjorgen's to his diagnosis?

Also....is it pronounced 'Raynard' or 'Raynod' ?

Take care, Everyone.
Margaret

[jefa]

It is pronounced Raynoze. The Plaquenil shouldn't really have anything to do with Raynaud's, Margaret. It will need to be treated separately.

Here is a link to our Raynaud's Page for your information.

[CraigR]

Has your rheumatologist run a test for auto-antibodies? This test can indicate if he has the Sjogren's auto-antibodies, as well as tell about other autoimmune conditions. The lab order from my rheumatologist says "Lupus analyzer panel", but refers to much more than lupus.

There is also a test of tears in the eyes (Shimmer Test, or something like that). Little strips of paper are placed just under the lower eyelids. The ability of the eyes to make tears is guaged by the amount absorbed by the paper, and helps with the diagnosis.

Craig

[janey]

Margaret,
It's funny that you ask about the pronunciation of Raynaud's. Just yesterday, this young cardiac rehab tech pronounced it RAY-nadds. Caused a little giggle under my breath. :lol: As Jefa mentioned it's RAY-noz with the emphasis on the first syllable. I always have a hard time pronouncing it for some reason. I always want to add that "d" in there. Just doesn't seem natural to keep it silent.

Several people with scleroderma do develop sjogren's syndrome. I don't have sjogren's but I do have drier eyes that I use to. Definitely something to look out for. The OTC eye drops do work for me. I've been able to start wearing my contacts again.

Big Hugs,

[nan]

Yes, I have had so many doctors repeat it when I say Raynose, they say Raynadds and I want to say ,"That't not correct!"
Nan

[Margaret]

Hi Everyone ~~~

OK....Jefa says 'RAYnoze'...long O.
Janey says 'RAYnoz'.......short O. Which one?

<<Has your rheumatologist run a test for auto-antibodies?>>

Craig......he was tested when first diagnosed....18 months ago. Positive ANA, speckled pattern, diffuse cytoplasm, along with a positive Anti-RNA Polymerase 1/111. She didn't say anything about more testing this time. Guess I could always ask her about it. She does want a Pul Function test done.

Take care, Everyone.
Margaret

[janey]

Margaret,
You've opened up that can of worms I've wanted to deal with personally for a long time - HOW DO you pronounce Raynaud's? Well, here's what I've found - it is a French word, therefore, the "d" is silent. It seems to be the consensus that the pronunciation is Ray-noz (long o) or Ray-nose. Here is lies the difference - Some sites accent the first syllable and some the second syllable. UGH! :(

Big Hugs,

[BarbaraLowe]

Maurice Raynaud was the guy who gave name to the condition. We have to remember that he was French. My doctor and other rhuematlogists pronounce it Ray-nodes, rather french like!

I've had tests for sjogrens, pronounced Show grens! and although my eyes can get quite dry, I haven't been diagnosed with the condition!

My dad says Rayners, my friend Raywotsit. I just know that it's a nuisance however you say it!

Best wishes
Barbara xxx

[jefa]

:lol: All very funny. Yes, Mr. Raynaud was French, so his name would be pronounced Ray-Know. Because it was his disease, it is Ray-Know's disease. We are anglicising the word by using it as an adjective. The Eiffel Tower is a similar situation. Eiffel is a name and in French they say, Tour Eif-FEL with the emphasis on the second syllable. But we who refer to it in English, don't call it the Eif-FEL tower, but the EYE-ful tower.

I haven't heard anyone pronounce the second syllable, but I have heard at least one doctor pronounce it Ray-nods. At the beginning, I wanted to spell it with an 'e' instead of an 'a' like the fox.

To add to the confusion, there is another syndrome entirely called Reynolds syndrome in which patients have progressive systemic sclerosis and the autoimmune liver disease primary biliary cirrhosis.

[Sheryl]

I was told to spell it: Raynaud's. With the letter l in it. I notice hardly anyone spells it using the l. I then was told it was also pronounced without the d. I was taught to say Ray-Naws. Funny how different areas in the country pronounce it differently.

[Margaret]

<<my friend Raywotsit >>

Ray what's it........Sounds the best!!! I didn't realize I was the only one with a problem saying it!!!

Take care, Everyone.
Margaret

[Karenlee]

Lol@ Margaret! :P That one sounds the best yet.
Well from reading this thread I've been guilty of mis pronouncing it as well. I've always pronounced it literally as it's spelled with the d.

[Shelley Ensz]

Boy, can I ever related to this discussion. I can't even pronounce Raynaud's correctly! I mean, really, if anyone should be able to pronounce it confidently, you'd think I could, wouldn't you?

No matter how I say it, it sounds wrong, and many times when I am forced to refer to it in conversation, I'm asked, What did you say?! To make it worse, no matter how anyone else pronounces it, it still sounds wrong to me. Or if they say it beautifully, I can't remember how they did it well enough to duplicate it on demand.

I have a horrible time with pronouncing most medical words, or any word I haven't heard repeated dozens and dozens of times; my verbal recall for pronunciations seems to be on the low side.

Then consider, when I do hear people pronouncing medical words, they are usually from another part of the country and often even another part of the world. Meanwhile, I'm stranded here in Minnesota (pronounced Minee-SO-dah) and I'm frequently and probably rightfully accused of having an accent from the movie "Fargo".

[Sweet]

Well let me jump on this band wagon as well. I'm a nurse and half the time say it wrong! I have never been told the "d" was silent or to be pronounced as a "z" I say Ray nods. Hmmm

[Susannah]

Well heres another version to add to the confusion. I always thought it was pronounced ' Ray-Nowds' and everyone I know here in NZ sounds it the same. Boy, we really need to be re-educated :lol: :lol: :lol:
Susannah x

[barefut]

I like Raywhatzit.

[Margaret]

<<Meanwhile, I'm stranded here in Minnesota (pronounced Minee-SO-dah)>>

And, here I always pronounced it Min-a-SO-da!!!

Susannah....that is how I was *trying* to pronounce it....Raynowds. OK...I have the Raynaud's down......RayNose. Perhaps if we all try to say it correctly, people will start to understand us!!!

Take care, Everyone.
Margaret

[luvbnmom3]

Ah shucks... I'll jump in on this one since it cracks me up when a doctor corrects me... It is funny because I've heard it come from the mouth of a Rheumatologist, Immunologist, primary care physician, Cardiologist, & Neurologist & I swear they all pronounce it differently.

SO... it inspired me to do a little pronunciation research & I found that "aud" is pronounced "Oh" like hot is French is Chaud & pronounced the same way we pronounce "show" and I think some others mentioned that since it was a disease named after him, there is the "s" on the end.... making it sound the way we say "shows".

I couldn't find "Ray" exactly, so I say "Raynose"

I've heard from the "pros" Raynowds, ruhnowds, ruhnodes, ruhnose, ray-knawds, ruhknawds, raynows, & ruhnows.

That's why I can't help but have a slightly ammused smile each time I hear one pronounce it.

[CraigR]

To further add to the confusion: wouldn't the "s" at the end also be silent if one is to use French pronunciation? That would be "RAY-no". If there is a following word that begins with a vowel, the s would begin that word, like "Etas Unis" (United States) is pronounced "ay-TAH zu-NEE".

Which is why I never care if such a word is spoken with English pronunciation, since we do that with most every other language ("Moscow" doesn't come close to how a Russian would pronounce it). Thus "RAY-nodes", "RAY-nodds", "ray-NODES", or "ray-NODDS"all work, much as most English speakers pronounce the "s" in Paris.

This thread may need to be moved to a forum on linguistic philosophy...

Craig

[Sweet]

Hi Susannah,
I just noticed you are from NZ or maybe I knew that and forgot. My son and his wife are moving to NZ on June 6th. Her family is there so she is going home. Good news for her family, bad for mine! My picture is one of my grand daughters that will be going as well. They'll be living in Hastings.

[barefut]

Margaret~

Did you ever think you'd be opening up such a can of worms? :lol:

This is one of the longest threads ever!

By the way, I was browsing the photo albums and saw your pictures of Gareth - What a totally handsome guy!

[BarbaraLowe]

Let's call it something new! BOY This Maurice (Raynaud) guy sure has something to be guilty of -- fancy naming something like this after his unpronouncable name, tut, tut!

In England we should call it Rain hard, because that's all it ever does!
I once heard it rather amusingly referred to as Rhinocerous disease! A lady I was in hospital with told her relatives. MMmm, my skin may be a bit tight but I ain't got the tusk yet!

We should call it candle fingers (white candle) or Icicle syndrome -- what do you think, LOL?

As ever. Best wishes
Barbara xxx

[truman]

How about cold hands, warm heart disease? :)

[jefa]

There must be something to that old chestnut, Tru... the hearts around here seem to be as warm as a furnace. :D